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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

just a reader

Thats a good comparison. It's all about bringing people in, counting numbers, but where is the true love and true faith. I was thinking of something else which kind of goes off the topic here, but what prompted me to leave was when the elders started giving my daughter a hard time. She was 16 years old and started dating a nice boy from school. At first i was against it but I really liked the boy, he was such a nice kid from a good family and my husband was not a witness and had no problem with it. Well two elders came to my house and were drilling my daughter and I about it. My husband walked in the kitchen and showed them a Bible scripture at 1 Corinthians 4:3-5. Now my husband never ever studied or read the Bible and the scripture was so appropriate for what was going on at the moment. I truly think God put this scripture in his hand... "Now to me it is of very little importance to be examined by you or by a human tribunal. In fact, I do not even examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against myself. But by this I am not proved righteous; the one who examines me is Jehovah. Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes."

I get goose bumps every time I think of it. The elders backed off. and little by little I started to fade.

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

just a reader

I stopped going to meetings about 7 years ago and this website has helped me tremendously. It's been a while since I logged on here until a few days ago because witnesses showed up at my door. I didn't speak to them but my husband did briefly. So I signed on to just refresh my memory of all the reasons why I left. This topic brought back a memory to me that always bothered me. My husband was never a witness and I used to attend meetings alone with my two young children. It was a struggle for me back then having an unbelieving mate who was also opposed and a heavy drinker at the time (he's sober now 14 years) so I wasn't very active in service and missed a lot of meetings. One Sunday I attended after being somewhat inactive and about half way through the public talk, an elder walks up to me and drops a field service slip on my lap during the talk and just walked away. I felt so hurt. That was all he was concerned about. No hello, how are you, good to see you here. Just drops the slip on my lap and looked at me coldly. He couldn't even wait until the end of the talk. I got so upset and emotional that I had to leave because I started to cry. It's something that I'll never forget. It took a lot of effort to get there that day and that elder knew very well that I didn't have any service time in. He was very well aware of my home situation. Two of his children eventually left the religion and he will not speak to them now.

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Post some cool videos here that you like at Youtube

by Iamallcool in

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just a reader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to7uIG8KYhg

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Post some cool videos here that you like at Youtube

by Iamallcool in

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just a reader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c52O0pP8BZg

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BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.....let's rebuild!

by Terry in

okay we've all beat our chest, lamented and throttled the dead horse of aawa.. time to move on!.

i suggest those of us on j-w.n who care about creating something the right way take the trouble to get the framework going.. let's do the grunt work and get the nattering, debates, naming and organizing already pre-approved so that "others" who have the talent, ability, motivation and resources can move in and turn the key!.

because it was not done before.. there is more wisdom on this discussion board in our vast numbers than there could possibly be in a virtual boardroom with 8 people brain-storming.. that isn't an insult--it is just a statistical fact!.

just a reader

Terry I love reading your posts and I am so grateful for this website in helping me open my eyes and helping so many others. It's been a great support for me for the last 3 years. Although I don't post much, I've been helped tremenously by all the information posted and I know I could not have walked away without it.

I still have faith in the Bible and know that all mans efforts still need God's backing to truly work. I have no doubt that he approves of anyone that speaks facts here to expose the false teachings we've all been fed.

One thing that comes to mind for me is a scripture at Revelation 17: 15-17 Let's not forget God's plan to stop all false religion.

And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

Revelation 18 goes on to describe it, I love that chapter.

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The Disfellowshipping Arrangement, New Book, Hope It Helps

by graysome67 in

hello, i renounced my belief/faith in the watchtower society a few years ago, though i am still a bible believer.

since departing from them, i have studied the bible aptly to try to understand it's true teachings.

i decided to start publishing essays in the hope that my research may help enlighten other disillusioned jw's by seeing alternative viewpoints, or at least pointing them in a direction that would help unlock their minds when studying the bible.

just a reader

I'd be interested in reading it.

I hope you included this scripture, 1 Corinthians 4:3, this scripture always proved to me how wrong their judicial committees are. From the new world translation..

3 Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal . Even I do not examine myself. 4 For I am not conscious of anything against myself. Yet by this I am not proved righteous, but he that examines me is Jehovah.* Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.

New International Version (NIV) ...

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.

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Common JW phrases that aren't in the Bible

by biometrics in

i'm interested to know common phrases jehovah's witnesses use, but don't actually apear in the bible (even the nwt).

especially phrases most jw's would assume are in the bible.

e.g.. "paradise earth".

just a reader

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article about Watchtower farms in todays Record online.

by just a reader in

i copied and pasted the article below because the link may not work, you have to pay to see this newspaper site.. http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20111226/news/111229858.

shawangunk state authorities are overseeing the investigation of chemicals and debris that were found buried at watchtower farms.. the state department of environmental conservation said the pollution was found at three different sites on the 1,141-acre property.

each of the pollution sites covers roughly 2 acres.. matt hubicki, a dec environmental engineer, said hints of the contamination were found in 2007 while the jehovahs witnesses organization was building an expansion.. they found some drums while digging the foundation for one of their residential facilities, hubicki said.

just a reader

I copied and pasted the article below because the link may not work, you have to pay to see this newspaper site.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111226/NEWS/111229858

SHAWANGUNK — State authorities are overseeing the investigation of chemicals and debris that were found buried at Watchtower Farms.
The state Department of Environmental Conservation said the pollution was found at three different sites on the 1,141-acre property. Each of the pollution sites covers roughly 2 acres.
Matt Hubicki, a DEC environmental engineer, said hints of the contamination were found in 2007 while the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization was building an expansion.
“They found some drums while digging the foundation for one of their residential facilities,” Hubicki said. The group immediately reported the drums to the DEC.
An investigation found that several 55-gallon drums contained chemicals, including inks and solvents that were used at Watchtower’s printing press off Red Mills Road. The gigantic printing operation dates back to the 1970s, and it produces all the religious literature that the group distributes in North America.
The drums contained benzene, xylene and other chemicals that have been shown to affect human health. Construction debris and polluted soil was also uncovered at the sites.
DEC officials said it appears that Watchtower workers moved the toxic soil to these sites when printing chemicals spilled decades ago. Then they used farm machinery to aerate the soil and evaporate the contaminants.
An investigation that began this month will determine the scope of the pollution and clean-up options. Watchtower will have to pay for the cleanup; the cost has not yet been determined. The site is currently enrolled in the state Brownfield Cleanup Program.
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New To Wine - Looking for Suggestions

by HintOfLime in

usually, in the evenings i like to relax, watch a movie or a comple tv shows, and sip on some vodka.. lately, however, i've gotten into reading again - and vodka just isn't the right drink.

the characters in the books are often read of drinking this wine or that - which has given me a bit of a craving for a good red wine.

something relaxing, and easy enough that it doesn't get you buzzed after a few sips (inhibiting my ability to read, etc.).

just a reader

I like Bogle brand Cabernet Sauvignon. not so sweet, but really good.

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"Do NOT go beyond the things written (but we can)."

by TimothyT in

i was doing some research yesterday on this scripture: 1 corinthians 4:6!.

"now, brothers, these things i have transferred so as to apply to myself and a?pollos for your good, that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written, in order that you may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other.".

read this from the watchtower 2008, april 15th, page 7:.

just a reader

They completely ignore Ecclesiastes 12:12 which basically tells us the scriptures are all we need and warns of anything beyond the scriptures.

"Be warned my son of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body."